shelmii

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Clearly, what this thread needs is actual griping, or we'll go in circles all day.

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Okay, I'll start! I dislike the use of the word "said"; I'll always endeavor to use replacements - "replied", "deadpanned", "hissed", "chuckled", "smiled", "muttered", "snarled" etc, and if I do end up dropping "said", I'll always quantify it with an adverb.

 

Am I doing it right?

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I guess you are.

 

I, on the other hand, don't mind repetition of the word "said" at all. I believe that there're times when people really just "said" something. The person neither hissed nor smiled nor deadpanned -- he simply said it like a normal person would.

 

Though whenever I write I just think how the character would see. If the character I'm roleplaying is like Solyeuse then I'll of course write things like "deadpanned", because the character would notice such. On the other hand, if the other party is a person who is perhaps not observant about other people's actions I'll use "said", because to him/her it really looks like such. So I conveniently let my character be the boss, haha.

 

Perhaps Shelmii should make a real thread with a proper title. XDD

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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SaidBookism

I see you're a fan of this one.

Personally, I tend to flip out whenever people make scientific and/or factual inaccuracies without justification -- or worse, passing off said inaccuracies as truth, since I'm a guy who won't leave well enough alone. Also, I kinda dislike it when people just keep droning on and on and on about how impossibly pretty their character is to the expense of describing things like setting and action, as it strikes me as self-obsession.

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I'm guilty of the scientific and factual inaccuracies. I'm really not at all detail-oriented.

 

However, I'm quite curious to see what it's like when people describe how good-looking their characters are. I don't believe I've seen such incidents before.

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Usually it shows up in character profiles and terrible fanfic more often. Maybe I'm just not reading enough terrible RPs. I suppose a telltale sign is suddenly breaking immersion by obsessing over, say, a character brushing a perfectly manicured, snow-white hand through their beautiful silky hair that fell in wavy tresses to their thighs and glittered in every color of the rainbow while the eccentric mentor is describing the grave threat to all free men Lord Zhaurdh'On poses or something. Just sayin'.

Also, using "attractive" or "sexy" as a descriptor for appearance irks me, because that not only implies a good deal of self-obsession but also tells me absolutely nothing. What if I find tables sexy? Is your impossibly busty elven wench then as flat as a Swedish flat-packed writing desk still in its box?

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I'm one of those people who goes into detail about the character but probably slacks a bit in setting. ^^; I really am trying to work at it but I simply don't care that there was a pretty vase on the table with Tiger Lillies and Baby's breath. I don't just mean this in myself either, I'm more concerned about what the other player's character looks like than a detailed setting.

Also 'alot' monster, I'm sure Valentine will bring out the link for that one. XD It has never particularly bothered me but the concept of the 'alot' monster cracks me up.

EDIT: Wst, you WOULD find tables sexy. XD lmfao

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Nonsense. When it comes to erotic furniture, the humble sofa is queen.

Look at the folds of those cushions, containing goodness knows what unfathomable secrets! Feeling around between a well used sofa's cushions is just like real sex -- you never know what you're gonna catch!

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I can't stand when people are overly descriptive on the setting(like going into great detail on a sexy table that will play no role in anything at all) and then give very little detail on the actual action or story(would totally rant on this if I wasn't limited on time because I'm in class :p)

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If we're throwing in quotes about writing and advice and whatever, here's one of my favorites:

 

"So avoid using the word 'very' because it's lazy. A man is not very tired, he is exhausted. Don't use very sad, use morose. Language was invented for one reason, boys--to woo women-- and in that endeavor, laziness will not do. It also won't do in your essays."

N. H. Kleinbaum

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I find it funny these famous people like to advise people not to use certain words when i'm sure words were invented to be used.

I've seen people advising me not to overuse simple words like "said" and "very", and then another school of thought emerges advising me not to use over-complicated words and just stick to the common ones. Which one do we trust?

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Do what you like.

Can't please everyone.

Well, as long as you know what the damned words mean... If you say someone is masticating in the shower you better damn well be talking about chewing gum.

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I find it funny these famous people like to advise people not to use certain words when i'm sure words were invented to be used.

I've seen people advising me not to overuse simple words like "said" and "very", and then another school of thought emerges advising me not to use over-complicated words and just stick to the common ones. Which one do we trust?

I think it's more don't overuse certain words. I use said, but I like to throw in other stuff as well. I don't think I use very often, though, which is why I liked that quote. After I learned about it, I actually went through some of my stuff and checked for my usage of very. xD

 

Like, don't be ostentatiously sesquipedalian, but be a little interesting. Not that S*T has that problem, I believe. ^-^

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I'd be inclined to say that anyone that tells you that you shouldn't use a particular word because its not good enough, needs to re-evaluate. I don't necessarily disagree that there are better words than 'said' or 'very' for certain situations. But there is a reason our language is so varied, and has so many different words for similar states of being and we should make use of all of them, including the more common ones. They're common for a reason, because they fill the gaps between the more emphasised or descriptive words. Even Stephen Fry has said that that annoying l33tspeak/phone texting method of writing is a part of our linguistic evolution, and that people should accept/embrace it as part of our future - and that man is a motherfuckin' lyrical word-smith. So, yeah.

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So there's a fundamental conflict between purple prose -- ornate, flowery language with description porn galore -- and beige prose -- minimalistic, utilitarian use of language.

So purple fans say beige prose is boring, and beige fans say purple prose is impenetrable. Personally, my preference is based of what's being written. Using bare-bones descriptions to illustrate a swords and sandals fantasy seems like doing it a disservice, and in contrast, terse language would fit the atmosphere of a modern-day thriller better than meandering on and on about the scenery.

I personally lean slightly closer to purple prose, because I am an insufferable jerkwad who wishes to sound smarter than you. There is, however, a certain point where I do stop and start saying, "Oh God. Please. Stop. You keep this up, and I'm gonna track you down and push your thesaurus into a woodchipper."

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What about your own opinion?

We haven't heard anything about what bugs you personally, which kinda defeats the purpose of this thread...

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I just wanted to it off my back because it's been irritating me for awhile. I apologize and if it's going to risk people being offended I won't do it. Also, thank you so much. I specifically asked for your critiques so I'm glad you guys chipped in, but for now I'll keep it all to myself and attempt to bear with it. Thanks :)

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We've all been venting. What about you, Shelmii? You don't need to blame individuals, but why not share what bugs you like the rest of us?  :3

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What about your own opinion?

We haven't heard anything about what bugs you personally, which kinda defeats the purpose of this thread...

It was just about certain little things people do that I was taught weren't essential in writing such as things that affect sentence fluidity, but I'll delete this because I was too quick to post rather than think before hand.

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Actually, we all stand to learn something if you share.

Just don't name names, no one would take it personally I'm sure. In fact, I'd rather hear an opinion than "GUYS I HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE -- oh wait never mind XD"

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I dunno. I think this topic is a real learning experience. Getting to know everyone a bit better. I think this topic is great and a real bonding thread(don't laugh at me). I wish you'd keep it.

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I dunno. I think this topic is a real learning experience. Getting to know everyone a bit better. I think this topic is great and a real bonding thread(don't laugh at me). I wish you'd keep it.

 

Laugh at her, but keep it all the same.

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