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Before I go into any detail behind the cause of this, I'd like to ask you guys something.

 

If you, one day, decided that you wanted to become a tattooist, would you, or would you not think that skill in drawing was required?

 

To me, the answer is stupidly obvious, but I'm not sure if that's because I'm in the tattoo field, and it just SEEMS obvious. 

 

Thaaaanks guys.

 

Like I said, I will elaborate, but I'd like some answers first,

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Tattooing is one of those jobs that is really appealing to people because it's just considered extremely cool and creative. A lot of people desire to have that skill and talent. However that doesn't mean they do. While I wouldn't say it was necessary to be super amazing at drawing, I think there needs to be dedication. if your skills as an artist are intermediate at best then you better put the fucking time and effort in the get better. Especially when you want to permanently mark people's skin. 

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Oh Kyo, always so eloquent.

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You need to be able to fucking draw. It seems like a no brainer to me. If you want to become one and you're mediocre you need to get better BEFORE you become one. I sure as shit wouldn't want to go into a tattoo parlor and have my skin PERMANENTLY marked by someone who was only mediocre or still learning or getting better. I'm spending a lot of money on this you better be at the point of being AMAZING before that needle comes anywhere near my skin.

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You should not, EVER, be allowed to become a tattoo artist without first becoming an accomplished artist. Tattoos aren't just art, you have to draw in motion. In time with a person breathing, fidgeting, moving without thinking about it much like a person does while at the dentist or hairdresser's and so on, this is no different. Only a tiny mistake with your hair grows out or a slightly deeper filling isn't noticed. If you fuck up on a tattoo, its gonna show or you're likely gonna have to cover it with something else. More solid colour. If you can't draw, you can't be a tattoo artist. That's not to say you shouldn't try, but you should get good before you're allowed near a person.

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I think what's more important than being good or bad is knowing your own skills. If you are a halfway decent artist I think you might be able to make some tribal tatoos, but not portraits, landscapes or that kind of thing.

 

But yeah, it would be better to be a good artist before you touch skin.

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Okay, it's good to know that it's as obvious as I thought it was. Just wanted to ask 'non-tattoo' people to make sure I wasn't completely baffled and overwhelmed for no reason.

 

To shed some light on this, it all came from a customer who popped into the studio today. He was asking about getting his arm sleeved, and working around an existing tattoo he already has. I was offering advice and options, but said that it would be best to speak to our main tattooist {my mentor}, as I'm still an apprentice. He then asked if we were looking for another apprentice, as he'd like to become a tattooist - we're not.

The conversation moved on, and he mentioned another tattoo he'd like later on, of a cross, but he's never found anything close to what he wants. So I said:

"Why don't you draw it?"

Him: "I'm not much of a drawer."

Me: "....but...you want to be a tattooist?"

Him: Yeah.

Me: -lots of head shaking-

 

Then I said you need to be able to draw, not just for the actual tattooing process itself, but to get an apprenticeship. They're like gold dust, over here in the UK anyway, and when they do come up, which is rarely, you'll be going up against a lot of other people. No decent studio will hire you without seeing a portfolio of your artwork, and so your portfolio needs to be a selection of your absolute best work. You can't even get on the tattoo ladder without being able to draw first. 

 

Even better, he then said something like 'oh yeah, I didn't think of that'

 

You didn't THINK you'd need to be good at drawing?? I don't know how I didn't laugh in his face. Well, actually, I do, because he seemed like a nice enough guy, even if he is fucking clueless. 

Oh, and he said he wanted to learn how to tattoo, then do something else for a few years, and come back to it later. With ANY skill like that, you have to keep it honed. Also, tattooing can't just be a job, it HAS to be a passion. It takes over your life without you even realising it. You don't just stop and start. It isn't some college course, where you decide if you can be bothered to attend lessons on certain days. No job like this can be taken half heartedly, not if you want to do well. It needs to be respected, you have to be humble, and above all, it is never acceptable to have an ego, no matter how good you are. 

 

Wow, okay, went off on a little rant there, sorry.

 

At least he said he wouldn't buy a shitty tattoo 'kit' off eBay. We see the massacres of those things quite a lot. 

 

 

I think what's more important than being good or bad is knowing your own skills. If you are a halfway decent artist I think you might be able to make some tribal tatoos, but not portraits, landscapes or that kind of thing.

 

But yeah, it would be better to be a good artist before you touch skin.

 
In regards to this, it doesn't really work.
 
You need to be an 'all-rounder' in most studios, so you're capable of meeting the needs of whatever customer walks through the door. Some tattooists do specialise in certain styles, yes, but they're well recognised for it, and have worked long and hard before hand to reach that status. 
There's also a massive difference from the tattooists who are famous from being on programmes like Miami Ink, and then tattooists who are actually famous for their work. Kat Von D IS a good artist, but there are a lot of others out there who are better. 
Not sure why that's relevant, but hey, chucking it out there lol

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Once you understand design fundamentals of an art style it is entirely possible to replicate. However too many people think that art is a talent that people either have or don't. This is almost a little insulting to a good artist. You need to eat, sleep and breath that shit. Learning to draw requires a hunger to get better, you need to practice all the time, and that is how you become good. Nobody picks up a pencil and naturally understands how to draw. Sure you might be quite observant which would allow you to be better at proportions, composition, etc. but you still need technique and that requires practice. If you don't practice you don't get better. Simple.

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Everyone can draw. Just like everyone can sing. Whether you're actually GOOD at it though, is another question entirely. 

 

Some people are more naturally gifted than others, but yes, it still takes work and practice. Even when you're at a good level, you need to keep pushing and progressing, seeing the flaws in your work and learning to correct them. 

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The idea of tribal tattoos just makes me laugh. XD

 

That said, perhaps the customer was just trying to make conversation, Pain. I'm sure he didn't mean to insult your profession. ^^

 

But in any case, yeah, it seems obvious that not only must the person know how to draw, he must also have a steady hand at it, since there's no erasure possible. So I'd think the person must be both an artist and a surgeon.

 

And baaaah, I can't draw to save my life. I'm not observant enough of visual images to know proportions, or to even remember what something looked like 5 minutes ago. XD Just... really bad with visual memory.

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I can draw, but never would I trust myself to carry out something that I'd describe as stabbing someone's quivering flesh a few hundred times with a needle to draw a pretty picture. Takes a great deal of dedication to be a good tattoo artist, I think. The guy probably just wanted something to talk about, I hope...

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The idea of tribal tattoos just makes me laugh. XD

 

That said, perhaps the customer was just trying to make conversation, Pain. I'm sure he didn't mean to insult your profession. ^^

 

But in any case, yeah, it seems obvious that not only must the person know how to draw, he must also have a steady hand at it, since there's no erasure possible. So I'd think the person must be both an artist and a surgeon.

 

And baaaah, I can't draw to save my life. I'm not observant enough of visual images to know proportions, or to even remember what something looked like 5 minutes ago. XD Just... really bad with visual memory.

 

Believe me, tribal tattoos make me laugh too. 

Luckily, they're not so popular anymore, but there was a tribal phase about 15 or so years ago. With how far tattooing has come, and the on going progression it keeps making, it's kinda hard to understand that some people still want black lines on their body.

But hey, who am I to judge, at the end of the day? Each to their own.

 

Oh, I didn't feel insulted lol just completely baffled. 

 

Psh, and don't be silly, there is TOTALLY an erasure for tattoos.

It's called acid.

>.>

Or, alternatively, a cheese grater. 

 

 

I can draw, but never would I trust myself to carry out something that I'd describe as stabbing someone's quivering flesh a few hundred times with a needle to draw a pretty picture. Takes a great deal of dedication to be a good tattoo artist, I think. The guy probably just wanted something to talk about, I hope...

 

It does, indeed, and you never stop learning, which is a great thing about it.

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I have a tribal sleeve...

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I know you do, babycakes. You have a tribal half sleeve, and it's a symbol for a programme or something, right?

I remember you saying before, back when you and I used to talk a fair bit and I was stalking you incessantly. 

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